Agenda and minutes
Venue: Pittville Room, Municipal Offices
Contact: Rosalind Reeves, Democratic Services Manager
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Apologies Minutes: Apologies had been received from Councillor Colin Hay. |
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Declarations of interest Minutes: No interests were declared. |
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Minutes of the last meeting PDF 58 KB To approve minutes of the last meeting held on 25 September 2013 Minutes: The minutes of the last meeting had been circulated with the agenda.
Upon a vote it was unanimously
RESOLVED that the minutes of the meeting held on 25 September 2013 be agreed and signed as an accurate record |
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Public Questions These must be received no later than 12 noon on the fourth working day before the date of the meeting Minutes: No public questions had been received. |
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Audit update report PDF 352 KB Report of Grant Thornton Minutes: Peter Smith, Audit Manager, Grant Thornton introduced the report which included a summary of emerging national issues and developments. He explained that they were just commencing the 2013-14 progress work so there were no outcomes to report as yet but officers would report back to members at the next Audit Committee meeting in March.
In terms of emerging issues and developments he highlighted the following :
In response to a question on the accounting of the plant and equipment of Ubico the Director Resources clarified that the plant and equipment were still listed as assets in CBCs accounts and loaned to Ubico for VAT purposes.
RESOLVED that the Audit Update report be noted |
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Annual audit letter 2012-13 PDF 356 KB Report of Grant Thornton Minutes: The Engagement Leader for Grant Thornton introduced the Annual Audit Letter 2012-13 for Cheltenham Borough Council which summarised the key findings arising from work they carried out at the Council for the year ending 31 March 2013.
The audit conclusions were highlighted as follows :
Members welcomed the good news in terms of the value for money conclusion but recognised the uncertainty in future settlements for the MTFS and that it would be necessary to plan ahead based on different scenarios.
The Chairman noted that the Council would shortly be considering whether to increase the percentage of its revenue budget funded from the New Homes Bonus (a non guaranteed, one-off source of funding). Would this be a consideration in future financial resilience reports? In response the Engagement Lead, Grant Thornton, confirmed that they would monitor this, but that Cheltenham Borough Council's plans were currently in line with other similar councils.
RESOLVED that the Annual Audit Letter 2012-13 be noted and approved |
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Certification of grants and returns (for previous year) PDF 356 KB Report of Grant Thornton Minutes: The Audit Manager for Grant Thornton, introduced the Certification report for 2012/13. He explained that certification typically took place six to nine months after the claim period and represented a final and important part of the process to confirm the Council’s entitlement to funding. Three claims and returns had been certified for the financial year 2012/13 relating to expenditure of £92.9 million (£40 million housing benefit and £51 million NNDR). He explained that the number of claims had reduced and may reduce further.
The Audit Manager explained that submission and certification had received a green RAG rating. The accuracy of claim forms submitted to the auditor had received an amber rating. This was due to a small amendment to the housing benefit claim by £943 and an £18 750 amendment to the Pooling of Housing Capital receipts claim. The supporting working papers were good. Recommendations had been made which were outlined in Appendix B and he highlighted the recommendation to investigate the reason why the CIVICA system understated subsidy by not correctly offsetting under and overpayments. A question was raised as to the timescale for the work needed to address this. In response the Director Resources said work was ongoing but he would report back to Audit Committee in due course.
In terms of certification fees the Audit Manager explained that the indicative scale fee for 2012/13 was £12 750. A variation in respect of Housing Pooled Capital receipts of £692 had been approved by the Audit Commission and officers had agreed to pay the additional fee. The Housing Benefit claim work was now complete. It had taken Grant Thornton more time to audit the claim this year and therefore it was able to legitimately seek a £3000 variance in fee and having received agreement from the Director Resources approval was now awaited from the Audit Commission.
When asked on what basis further work was carried out, the Audit Manager explained that based on the results and where errors have been identified in the initial samples, additional sample testing was undertaken. He added that it would be unusual for no additional sampling to be required as housing benefit was a very complex system. CBC was therefore not the only authority subject to this and the level of error involved was relatively minor.
Members then raised questions regarding the underpayment of benefit due to an underclaim. In response the Audit Manager said that the issue is discussed with the claimant but there is no means to claim back.
Members were satisfied that the annual certification of claims report could provide them with a review of progress on the recommendations.
RESOLVED that the Certification of grants and returns 2012/13 report be noted |
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Internal audit monitoring report (inc PSN update) PDF 50 KB Report of Rob Milford Additional documents: Minutes: Head of Audit Cotswolds, Rob Milford, introduced the report as circulated with the agenda. He explained that the council must ensure that it has sound systems of internal control that facilitate the effective management of all the council’s functions. The work delivered by Audit Cotswolds, the council’s internal audit service, was one of the control assurance sources available to the Audit Committee, the Senior Leadership Team and supported the work of the external auditor.
The Head of Audit Cotswolds highlighted that the PSN review work and some ongoing ICT Audit consultancy had impacted substantially on the 2013-14 plan and as such the 2014-15 plan would include some deferred work from the current year’s plan.
In terms of the detail of the four finalised areas he reported the following :
A member noted the comment in the report that during testing Audit had found there was one user of the CIVICA system who was no longer employed by CBC or CBH. The Audit Manager said that this had not caused any issues. When asked what was in place to ensure this did not happen again the Audit Manager explained that as part of the ICT work there were now new mechanisms in place to monitor CBC leavers but he highlighted that where there were specific IT systems for particular services ICT would not know the specific access, this would be managed by system administrators. The Director Resources added that there was now a process in place to monitor access to systems.
In response to a question on how the action plan for car parking would be implemented the Audit Manager said that as this had been given limited assurance it would be subject to a follow up review and in any case would be highlighted in the monitoring report which would be submitted to the Audit Committee’s June meeting.
RESOLVED that the report be noted |
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Review of risk management PDF 70 KB Report of Bryan Parsons on the arrangements for a review of risk management procedures Additional documents: Minutes: Bryan Parsons, Corporate Governance, Risk and Compliance officer, introduced the report on the Risk Management Policy. The report advised Members that the current Risk Management Policy had been approved by the Audit Committee in March 2013 and would be due for a further review in April 2014. At the full Council meeting on the 7 October 2013 during the debate on the ICT PSN issue, there was a request that the Risk Management Policy and Risk scorecard should be reviewed. The ICT Scrutiny working group considered this request on 18 December and supported a wider approach to the 2014 review.
This committee was asked to comment on the approach to this review in terms of the list of questions laid down in the appendix and make any additional recommendations. The Corporate Governance, Risk and Compliance officer added that he would bring back the outcome of the review to the next Audit Committee meeting in March.
Members discussed how best to approach the review. It was agreed that all councillors should be given the opportunity to be involved in the process so a more streamlined questionnaire would be sent out to all members. Subsequent to receiving responses to this a workshop would be scheduled so that the rationale could be gone through in more detail with those interested in taking this forward, using the PSN issue raised at Council as a live example. It was agreed that the Corporate Governance, Risk and Compliance officer would discuss directly with the Chair on how to take these actions forward.
RESOLVED that
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Annual governance statement PDF 67 KB Report of Bryan Parsons - An update on significant issues action plan Additional documents: Minutes: The Corporate Governance, Risk and Compliance officer introduced the report. He explained that the Audit Committee at their meeting in June 2013 had approved the Annual Governance Statement (AGS) for 2012/13 and had recommended to Council that it be adopted as part of the statement of accounts. The AGS contained a Significant Issues Action Plan and this report identified progress to improve upon these issues.
The Corporate Governance, Risk and Compliance officer, explained that in terms of ICT business continuity testing there had been much progress over the last 12 months. Back up servers had been relocated to the Forest of Dean and testing of the elections business systems were planned for September 2014 with more planned tests involving revenues and benefits, council tax and cashier systems planned over the next 12 months. This testing would be fitted in alongside other work. Due to the progress which had been made this item would no longer feature on the Significant Issues Action plan.
Whilst recognising that progress on business continuity had been positive Members expressed their uneasiness about testing and therefore sought high assurance that if the systems went down major testing had been undertaken to ensure that they would be brought back online within an acceptable time period. It was recognised that testing brought its own risks but if this was not undertaken then this represented a larger risk. The issue with the overheating in the server room was also highlighted by Members.
In response the Corporate Governance, Risk and Compliance officer said that the servers which had been affected by air conditioning problems had now been relocated to the Forest of Dean. ICT Business Continuity was still on the corporate risk register which was monitored by the Senior Leadership Team. He then gave the example of assurance work which had taken place relating to power outages whereby the batteries had been replaced to ensure that there would be 2-3 hours of power available before systems were powered down. In terms of generators CBC was jointly looking with Forest of Dean to share one.
Members regretted that they had not been kept informed of the testing that had taken place as it was this testing that would provide them with the assurance that they needed in the systems the council was running. The Corporate Governance, Risk and Compliance officer was therefore requested to produce a report for the next meeting of the Audit Committee giving them the level of detail they required including the level of tiers and outcomes.
With regard to the issue of safeguarding children and vulnerable adults the Corporate Governance, Risk and Compliance officer reported that this would be completed by March 2014. The County Council was the lead authority in this respect.
In terms of Go Shared Services the Head of Audit Cotswolds was currently undertaking an audit and an opinion would be issued in March. With regard to ICT Services this would feature in next year’s audit plan after the conclusion of ... view the full minutes text for item 10. |
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Audit Commission report - Auditing the accounts 2012/13 PDF 51 KB Report of Bryan Parsons Additional documents: Minutes: The Corporate Governance, Risk and Compliance officer introduced the report. He explained that the Audit Committee had approved the Accounts on 25 September 2013 which had included the Annual Governance Statement (AGS) for the period 1st April 2012 to 31st March 2013. The AGS indicated how the Council was complying with its Code of Corporate Governance including the internal control arrangements and management of risk.
The report published by the Audit Commission – Auditing the Accounts 2012/3 – had been circulated to members. The report summarised the results of the work of the External Auditors across the country and highlighted an issue with the Council’s AGS.
The Audit Manager explained that the Audit Commission had asked in October 2013 whether there was a specific statement in the Annual Governance Statement that conformed to those set out in the CIPFA Statement on the role of the Chief Finance Officer. Grant Thornton’s risk-based approach did not identify the absence of a specific statement and this was therefore not reported in its findings letter at the Committee on 25 September 2015. The Director Resources had since taken note of the comments from the auditors and the Audit Commission’s report which named CBC in its national report of breaches to the CIPFA statement. A more explicit statement within the 2013/14 was now proposed.
Members discussed the issue. It was clarified that should a new Section 151 officer be appointed then the statement would be amended accordingly and the Annual Governance statement was reviewed on an annual basis. In response to concerns expressed regarding risk to the reputation of the council now that it had been reported in the Audit Commission’s report, Grant Thornton assured Members that it was not an issue which was so significant that it impacted on the opinion issued.
RESOLVED that the comments on the work on the AGS 2012/13 as set out in the Audit Commission report be noted. |
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Minutes: The work programme had been circulated with the agenda. The Chair wished to add an item to the agenda for the Audit Committee meeting in June 2014 to discuss whether there should be some independent representation coopted onto the Audit Committee in the future. This idea was currently being consulted upon. Grant Thornton had responded to the consultation expressing its concern with regard to the practicalities of this.
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Local Government Act 1972 -Exempt Business The Audit Committee is recommended to approve the following resolution :-
“That in accordance with Section 100A(4) Local Government Act 1972 the public be excluded from the meeting for the remaining agenda items as it is likely that, in view of the nature of the business to be transacted or the nature of the proceedings, if members of the public are present there will be disclosed to them exempt information as defined in paragraph 3, Part (1) Schedule (12A) Local Government Act 1972, namely:
Paragraph 3; Information relating to the financial or business affairs of any particular person (including the authority holding that information)
Minutes: Upon a vote it was unanimously
RESOLVED that in accordance with Section 100A(4) Local Government Act 1972 the public be excluded from the meeting for the remaining agenda items as it is likely that, in view of the nature of the business to be transacted or the nature of the proceedings, if members of the public are present there will be disclosed to them exempt information as defined in paragraph 3, Part (1) Schedule (12A) Local Government Act 1972, namely:
Paragraph 3; Information relating to the financial or business affairs of any particular person (including the authority holding that information) |
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Exempt minutes of the last meeting To approve the exempt minutes of the last meeting held on 25 September 2013 Minutes: The exempt minutes of the last meeting had been circulated with the agenda.
Upon a vote it was unanimously
RESOLVED that the exempt minutes of the meeting held on 25 September 2013 be agreed and signed as an accurate record. |
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Any other item the chairman determines to be urgent and requires a decision Minutes: There were no urgent items for discussion. |
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Date of next meeting Date of next meeting: 26 March 2014 Minutes: The next meeting was scheduled for 26 March 2014. |